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DustyVinci · July 2009

*dies from having to type "ppl" because the subject was too long* x_x So I heard recently of a 19-year-old who breeds Goldies and has her own kennel at home and adopts out the puppies to selective homes. That's exactly what I want to do and my parents might actually let me! Breed of my choice too! Gahh, I'm so excited! So the reason I'm posting this is I want to know if you have any breed suggestions! Here's a little information of what I'm looking for: I like really big dogs. Some examples might be german shepherds, tibetan mastiff, great dane, st bernard, etc. but size isn't all THAT important. No high-grooming, please. I already have two shihtzus and a collie mix and they take up enough of my time grooming. I prefer short haired dogs anyway. The shorter the coat, the better! Something that will be alright with small children because there are many in my house. Must be a breed that isn't too energetic. My lab's energy is insane, so... please XD needs to be able to be calm in the house, no chasing cats or other dogs and no grabbing things to tear apart *cough*likechewie*cough*. (Oh, and I also adore toy poodles... maybe you could tell me some about them from your own experiences?) I think that's it... if I decide to do a small breed, the dogs will probably live inside. If large, will probably live outside most of the time. Let me know if you need any more information

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Kazuko · July 2009

I'd suggest starting small. Larger dogs tend to have hip problems, and that could be problematic. I've heard boston terriers are relatively good, calm-ish dogs that are usually pretty well behaved around most animals/children/etc. But I don't know much about them. At first I thought of suggesting an akita or something similar, but they require quite a bit of grooming, although they're usually calm, rather off-hand dogs.

lovefrompaige · July 2009

I agree. I would start off small. Maybe not super small but small - medium. Maybe a Basset Hound? They're average sized dogs and are suppose to be great with kids and others. Of course, they're hounds so letting them off leash while not looking isn't the best choice. lol Once they get their noes to the ground, theres no stopping them

Uhh, maybe Beagle? They're not small, but they're not big either. They do like to bay some but I'm sure with some amount of training, that can be taken care of. They're amazing with kids and they have little hair. Again, hound dog so watch the nose lol

Miniature Pinschers maybe? My aunt just got one and she is a fun little thing. lol She doesn't bark a lot and likes to play. She doesn't have much fur either. Weimaraner I hear are great pets too. Poodles would be good. My OTHER aunt owns a pure black one. No shedding but she does need to be groomed, a lot. Otherwise her fur gets matted and nasty. Ewww. . . :P Those are just some I thought of right on the top of me head.

Congrates on getting to breed!

When I gets older and get my own place and such, I wanna work with Irish Wolfhounds. I already found a great breeder in the U.S.

Hope all goes well

Boz · July 2009

Not trying to be a meanie head xD Just remember the vet care. If a dog needs emergency vet care during birth, that can get costly. Plus you have to pay for all the vaccines and shots. Breeding isn't going to give you much money (if that's what your after). It usually costs more then it pays. I would also make sure that if you pick, say, Standard Poodles, that there isn't 10 other people within a 60 mile radius of you breeding them. Just might be harder to find good homes. xD Congrats!

NickelbackLuver · July 2009

Basset hound was my first thought xD I used to want to breed them when I got older and had the space and whatnot for it... but I decided against it, and would rather rescue instead. But, bassets once again have many traits that may make it more difficult to breed them. They get issues with their eyes/ears and are also prone to hip problems. Plus, they are very stubborn, so, might not be too easy to deal with a group of them xD Most kinds of hounds have shorter hair though =P *loves hounds* haha, I would also suggest Cavaliers...but, they have long hair xD

Hardcoremagic · July 2009

i always love hounds and my great dane pup is 6 weeks and he has a samll problem, so go smaller like bobbers and nickel said a Basset hound would work great

reina__ · July 2009

I would never encourage anyone to breed unless it is their ABSOLUTE passion in life.. because really, those are the only ones who should breeding. When you breed, you are 100% responsible for the lives you bring into this world. Being a true breeder is more than just putting two pretty dogs together and letting them tango. Those days are far gone. In my opinion, you shouldn't be breeding if that's just what you want to do, and you don't have a breed yet. People BREED because they want to better a breed or type they love, not because .... well I don't really know how to put this. Because you just want to ... breed. If you really do go through with this, regardless of which dog breed you pick, breeding is one of the greatest responsibilities in the world and all too many people take it too lightly. They don't delve into the deep genetics of the dogs, and don't research bloodlines and pedigrees at least 2 hours a day for years. My tips.. 1. Only breed if you have the finances and room to care for EACH puppy you produce for its whole life. A responsible breeder will take back any puppy or adult in any situation that the Buyer may not be able to/doesn't want to care for it anymore. 2. Create Legal contracts / guarantees for Puppy Buyers, Stud Contracts (if you will be studding out your males to the public), and Puppy Applications. Start now. Make sure the contract involves what will happen should the Buyer break one of the rules, the Puppy Kindergarten / Basic obedience classes the Buyer must enter with said Puppy, what types of foods they must be on, yearly vaccinations, etc. Make sure you make a contract for both Pet Quality and Show quality. If you won't be producing Show Quality puppies then you really shouldn't be breeding at all. edit: You have to hire a Lawyer to make the contract legal; to be able to "sue" the Buyer in the case that they abuse the contract. 3. a) Do you have an extra $5k somewhere in order to pay for an emergency C-section? b) How do you know when a pup is stuck in the birth canal? c) On which day of the female's heat is it best to breed? d) Will you be doing Artificial Insemination? e) What supplements will you provide for the female during her pregnancy and during lactation? f) Do you have a whelping box? g) Will you be doing health testings, such as OFA - Eyes, hips, thyroid, elbows, DNA, Cardiomyopathy; PennHIP? h) Are you willing to lose your female during the birthing process? This doesn't happen all the time of course but it is bound to, especially if you don't know the tell-tale signs of a puppy stuck, or what to do with internal bleeding. i) Will you be testing for Brucella? If you don't, it can be passed onto the puppies and they can die within days. j) Will you test for vaginitis, yeast infections, reproductive problems before breeding? k) What is your main goal in breeding? - if you can't answer all those questions..... don't breed. 4. How will you "advertise" your litters? Will you be willing to call your Buyers up at least 4 times a month to see how the puppy is doing, and provide yourself as a big help in training and care tips? or will you just let them buy the pup and hope for the best? 5. Will you be putting microchips in the pups? If not, a Buyer could easily surrender the puppy to an SPCA without your knowledge. Canine microchips cost around $30-$100 PER dog. Imagine a litter of 10 puppies; an average-sized litter for a medium-sized dog. That's at least $300 just to microchip. 6. How carefully will you be screening each puppy buyer? What kind of people will you be breeding for? What kind of people will you refuse a puppy to and why? These thoughts are not optional. Just because someone else is breeding at 19 years old, doesn't mean she should be, and doesn't mean other people have to also. Having your own breeding program is extremely busy, emotionally, and physically draining if you TRULY care about what you're working hard to produce. Will you be working too or will this be your primary job? When you pick a breed, especially one you're not very familiar with, prepare yourself to look at thousands upon thousands of pictures of CORRECT [insert breed here]'s and thousands more of INCORRECT ones. Although a "standard" may not be important to someone, CONFORMATIONAL SOUNDNESS should be... everything from the tips of their toes to the tips of the nose and tail is important when thinking of breeding. You must assess every bone and tendon and every curve or lack thereof. When picking a Show Quality puppy, it may not even be show quality as it matures, which means you could be spending money on a complete chance dog. Nothing is FOR SURE and in stone when breeding. Even if you take a conformationally, temperamentally sound female and breed it with with a male of the same quality, you may still be producing poor quality puppies. That is why you can't stop at just the parents when researching, you must look through the entire pedigree and ask as many questions as possible. That is why having a "mentor" is an excellent idea, for beginners and advanced breeders alike. I highly highhhly encourage you to think twice about breeding. I know it sounds fun to make puppies and stuff but it is so much more than that. There are several expenses, and if you breed right, you should actually LOSE money overall, rather than make money. That's the way it is and will always be.

reina__ · July 2009

I'm always willing to help a beginner out with things.. Dusty if you really decide you want to breed email me any time for questions!! I'd be happy to show you my example stud contract and puppy guarantee/show contracts etc.

iluvdogs111 · July 2009

You should definatly start small. One thing's for sure, don't jump right into it It's a lot of work. The pups will need shots, the mom will need special care, you'll need a whelping box, you may need emergency vet care, you'll probably want a website, and a lot more. Whatever breed you pick, make sure you do research and make sure you are ready before you do it.

ilyanthony1995 · July 2009

i agree with bobcat... Weimaraners are AWESOME dogs.. and my grandma and grandpa have 2 basset hounds they have been trying to breed for a few years now...its really hard to breed them... i would say English Bulldogs..but when they breed..they need c-sections most of the time

DustyVinci · July 2009

Thanks everyone for you're advice. Reina, thanks for posting that and it gave me a little information I haven't looked up yet. But I've been wanting to do this for many, many years of my life. I've been researching dogs and every part of them since I was old enough to read. I still have much to research and prepare which is why I don't see this happening for another year or possibly longer. My parents are wanting me to pay for my two first dogs and whatever else I need to start but they'll be paying for all of the vet bills. I'm not sure how much it will cost, but if I don't think I have what it takes to get the puppies out or if there seems to be something wrong during the process, we will go straight to the vet which is within like 3 minutes of my house by car. About the breed, I'm really, really leaning towards the old english sheepdog. My aunt's friend breeds them and I'm sure I could go there and watch what goes on and how to do things. I love this breed and I've done alot of research on them. However, if I feel I'm not ready for the care and expense of breeding bigger dogs, I will probably look in to toy poodles, dachshunds (friends of ours breed these) or something around there. I really want to breed a dog that I love and will love taking all the time and money to breed them.

Berton · July 2009

My words of advice find a mentor someone with the same breed you want to breed and ask to be their shadow. My mom was the shadow of pembroke corgi breeder... Wheatys and corgis are different but, I feel it would help if you could be someones shadow. I dont make sense much do i?

DustyVinci · July 2009

Yeah, you made sense ^^ thanks for the advice

Kazuko · July 2009

Someone previous suggested min pins and beagles. If you don't want hyper, loud, dogs- don't do those. xD There's a breeder down the street from my fiance's house that breeds min pins. Annoying. Yappy. Things. D< And beagles bark. A lot. Very loudly. ._.

jennifer27 · July 2009

Kazuko wrote:

 D< And beagles bark. A lot. Very loudly. ._.

Yeah try havig 3! -.-

DustyVinci · August 2009

Hahaha one of my old friends had a beagle and he was bark and howl at every car and person that went by the fence! It was annoying - and he was a really old dog, too! I think Imma go with Old English Sheepdogs for sure now. Like I said in my first post, this entire breeding thing is still undecided. My mum still needs to talk to my dad and we need to figure things out. But I adore the OE sheepdog and I read they are very mellow and don't get as many medical problems as some other breeds. I've already researched quite a bit on them...

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